tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post3817922343567862698..comments2024-03-11T08:31:04.022-04:00Comments on Bieganski the Blog: "A Nation Is Built By Its Saints, Not By Its Monsters;" Should Poland Be Grateful to the Red Army? A Russian Responds D Goskahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09353495585591945881noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-2272941306110286602014-08-01T08:35:51.941-04:002014-08-01T08:35:51.941-04:00NKVD murdered about 500 Polish people in 1945 as t...NKVD murdered about 500 Polish people in 1945 as the result of "Obława augustowska". The Russian state refuses to inform where the bodies have been buried. The Memorial cooperates with the Poles. Summarising I can see the hostile state supported by probably around 80% of people and a small and unpopular group of activists branded as spies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-49142506036041377962014-06-14T05:23:38.137-04:002014-06-14T05:23:38.137-04:00I see NO "lobbies". I see a criminal org...I see NO "lobbies". I see a criminal organisation made of losers with ambitions. Failed priests, bankrupts, petty gentry and unfulfilled intelectuals.<br />I know what national group You had in mind, Mr Wallach. For Your information, I detest generalisation and conspiracy theories. Łukasz Klimeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-15420126396957164942014-06-13T18:49:35.965-04:002014-06-13T18:49:35.965-04:00Hopefully you will be consistent and not see other...Hopefully you will be consistent and not see other lobbies within the communist movementHarvey Wallachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-78202923606833396202014-06-13T18:47:22.791-04:002014-06-13T18:47:22.791-04:00But they are - you take the good with the bad - ex...But they are - you take the good with the bad - except that Mezynski may not have been PolishHarvey Wallachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-86421019532388393012014-06-13T18:45:36.885-04:002014-06-13T18:45:36.885-04:00It is not clear that Mienzynski was Polish It is not clear that Mienzynski was Polish Harvey Wallachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-24393949949437412722014-06-13T15:28:18.827-04:002014-06-13T15:28:18.827-04:00Hello Anna,
Those renegades were born and bred in...Hello Anna,<br /><br />Those renegades were born and bred in Russian Empire and they bonded their future with Russia. That's what I mean by "russified'. We can use other words, pick some other state. They chose Russia. Theirs Russia, not Yours. <br /><br />Prince Adam Czartoryski was close to the Emperor. No problem. Even closer to the Empress. That's fine. His father may have been Nicholas Repnin. It doesn't matter. Prince Adam was a Pole. He worked with Russians, or against them, for the good of his country. To be Polish doesn't mean that we have to hate Russians. We can like each other and still love our homelands.<br /><br />As for that lobby. No, Anna, I dissagree. It's not an appropriate word. Lobby is a group that supports and represents others. They weren't supporting or representing Poland. They enslaved Russia. And that created a mortal threat to my country. Free Russia is in our own self-interest. <br /><br />I'm grateful for Your post. Learned a lot from it. Thank You. Łukasz Klimeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-83662798337802664872014-06-13T02:10:00.517-04:002014-06-13T02:10:00.517-04:00YesYesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451206862242573892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-12473554450276393132014-06-13T02:00:20.460-04:002014-06-13T02:00:20.460-04:00Thank you Kimberly! I feel the same as you looking...Thank you Kimberly! I feel the same as you looking at these photos.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451206862242573892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-35255043138928886482014-06-12T14:48:37.943-04:002014-06-12T14:48:37.943-04:00It looks like Anna's comment was posted three ...It looks like Anna's comment was posted three times. Not sure why. I deleted the first two times. If this is a mistake please let me know. D Goskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353495585591945881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-53081258339159408462014-06-12T13:42:33.421-04:002014-06-12T13:42:33.421-04:00Dear Danusha, Otto, Bozena, Jan, Sue, Magdalena an...Dear Danusha, Otto, Bozena, Jan, Sue, Magdalena and Łukasz,<br /><br />thank you very much for your comments, they mean a lot to me. It's touching and it's what I was hoping for.<br /><br />Łukasz, I understand your position. The post was not about blaming with "-ski" in the last name. The post was about stereotypes - and the projections of disdain and hatred from the bunch of renegades unto more complex social units. Do the words like "russified" and "not my countrymen" imply that the renegades in question could never identify themselves as Poles ? What does "russified" mean exactly? Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski was the very close friend of the Emperor Alexander 1, the all too powerful Russian minister for foreign affairs and one of the most influential men of the Empire - and that did neither "russify" him, not prevent his becoming President of the Polish National Government during November 1830 Uprising against Russians.<br /><br />Generally speaking, the higher the social position of a person is, the more probable is the fact of his conscious sticking to his/his parents/grand-parents culture of origin. And if we take into account the very painful story of Polish-Russian relations ever since 1772, it becomes a matter of principle, of "noblesse oblige".<br /><br />With Mężyński following up so conveniently Dzierżyński, and that nice guy Wyszyński hanging just around the corner - can we talk about a lobby? If not - why? <br /><br />As for the argument that the "average Pole is happily unaware that they existed" - well, I can only say that "the average Russian" was happily unaware of them too until 1989-1991 ( and still many unaware today). But is it for "the average person" that the History's skeletons should be kept in the closet? <br /><br />Anna Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451206862242573892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-52073989132800819612014-06-12T11:17:43.484-04:002014-06-12T11:17:43.484-04:00Ohh......, and Anna, The photos you shared are EXT...Ohh......, and Anna, The photos you shared are EXTREMELY moving. I can just sense the heaviness of all the souls gone at the end of WWII. All the women together with out their lovers, sons and fathers...Kimberly Wachtelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418731674136228243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-40333485841883423522014-06-12T11:10:07.706-04:002014-06-12T11:10:07.706-04:00Very interesting read. Thank you for writing this ...Very interesting read. Thank you for writing this Anna and thank you for posting Danusha. I just finished reading, "Mastering the Art of Soviet Cooking: A Memoir of Food and Longing" by Anya Von Bremzen. She writes very interesting tale of life as an immigrant and shares her family's stories over 100 years of Soviet and post Soviet Union life. Every country has it's monsters and it's saints as your words and Bremzen's words illustrate. I like fleshing out my understanding of the relationships between countries and countries that are occupied by others. Your thoughts help. A monster's actions and voice do not speak for whole nation of individuals who are more likely humane, yet terrorized.Kimberly Wachtelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418731674136228243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-55316057561662253372014-06-12T07:57:24.911-04:002014-06-12T07:57:24.911-04:00"Poles can be grateful to individual Russians..."Poles can be grateful to individual Russians, but not to the Red Army as a whole"<br /><br />YesD Goskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353495585591945881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-72161543778622378452014-06-12T07:57:20.296-04:002014-06-12T07:57:20.296-04:00"Poles can be grateful to individual Russians..."Poles can be grateful to individual Russians, but not to the Red Army as a whole"<br /><br />YesD Goskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09353495585591945881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-20676244781385974682014-06-12T05:55:41.115-04:002014-06-12T05:55:41.115-04:00I'm sorry, Anna, but russified Poles are not m...I'm sorry, Anna, but russified Poles are not my countrymen. Dzierżyński, Mężyński, Kosior, Wyszyński- bunch of renegades, each and every one of them. Exept for Dzierżyński, they are not known in Poland. Average Pole is happily unaware that they existed. And the same goes for Richard "The Iceman" Kuklinski or Theodore "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. As a Pole, I don't want to be blamed for every scoundrel with "-ski" in his last name. Łukasz Klimeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-56399355424937687492014-06-12T04:41:14.473-04:002014-06-12T04:41:14.473-04:00My thoughts run along the same lines but I was una...My thoughts run along the same lines but I was unable to present them so eloquently. Thank you, Anna!magdalenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09637886497625514554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-27336736677082116412014-06-12T01:13:00.470-04:002014-06-12T01:13:00.470-04:00Hello Anna - and all - I have never blamed the Rus...Hello Anna - and all - I have never blamed the Russian people for what happened during WW2 and after - I blame the regime. Russians suffered terribly under both Hitler and Stalin as Poles did.<br /><br />And I hope that the young men who fought and died in those armies - Russian, Polish, German, English, American, etc - are sleeping safe in "the everlasting arms" and will be woken from the sleep of death when the time comes, and that they will next open their eyes in an earth that is at peace - an earth restored to Paradise.<br /><br />I think the question that should be asked is this: What is wrong with the world? Why are people so easily persuaded to turn on each other and slaughter each other?<br /><br />The answer lies in the Inspired Scriptures, both Hebrew and Christian Greek. <br />Sue Knight's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597157298218651144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-69648196747693969332014-06-11T22:32:02.268-04:002014-06-11T22:32:02.268-04:00My mother, grandmother, and aunt had been deported...My mother, grandmother, and aunt had been deported to Kazakhstan, from Soviet-occupied eastern Poland, in 1940. They wrote of many nice Russian people.<br /><br />I think that what we are talking about are major trends and policies, not good and bad individuals, both of which of course can be found in any nationality. <br /><br />Thus, Poles can be grateful to individual Russians, but not to the Red Army as a whole. That is at least how I look at it. Mr. Jan Peczkishttp://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3Q04XXGGED746/ref=cm_aya_bb_revnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-21144073502500388892014-06-11T19:57:51.855-04:002014-06-11T19:57:51.855-04:00An excellent assessment of the situation, Anna. Th...An excellent assessment of the situation, Anna. Thank you so much for this. If only we could remember at all times that crimes are committed by individual monsters whose behaviour is not indicative of the whole nation, then people would never need to attempt to rewrite history. Thank you. Much appreciated. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10986317876015683624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8471082069031980581.post-5153113528336779152014-06-11T19:41:42.929-04:002014-06-11T19:41:42.929-04:00Very powerful piece Anna. Thank you on so many lev...Very powerful piece Anna. Thank you on so many levels. Excellent writing and thoughts.<br /><br /> OttoOtto K. 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